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I'm Sean Ryder, as a 15 year old lad in Salford, long before my old raising antics and I have

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been Mondays, I saw a ball of light whizzing about in the night sky as I stood at a bus

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stop. I knew there and then I'd seen a UFO, ever since I've been obsessed with all things

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extraterrestrial. I've always wanted to understand what I saw that day and in this series I'm

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going to do just that. My mission is to seek out those at the forefront of UFO research

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and through them try to discover how other people deal with this most mysterious phenomenon.

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I'll be meeting the top dogs of ufology from generals and scientists to the abductees themselves,

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to hear what they have to say and to separate fact from fiction. That's clear as day like that.

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Well it is, this is one of the strangest mysterious things I've ever seen.

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Around the world people are reported mysterious happenings in the skies. Beams from an unidentified

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grave. Handlers and handlers are people so late. Most of them are dismissed as mistakes or oaksies,

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but when a report comes from a government official, even the skeptics sit up and pay attention.

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They are unidentified and they were flying and seem to be obviously objects. It all depends

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on what it is, who's saying it. If an airline pilot for example says that they've seen a

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really strange unidentified flying object, that's likely to be taken fairly seriously.

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I've always found the way UFO witnesses are judged problematic. The credibility of a sighting

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is mainly determined on who files the report. So if you are eye spotter UFO, it's unlikely

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many people will believe us, but it's a different matter if it's a large group or individuals

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working within the military or the government. Today I'm travelling from my own town in Manchester

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to Q in west London. I'm going to meet a former member of the Ministry of Defence whose opinions

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on UFOs are taken seriously. So I'm here today to meet the man who was in charge of the UFO

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projects for quite a few years at the Ministry of Defence, the M.O.D. Mr Nick Polp.

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Hi Nick. Hello. Hi. Good to meet you. Nick Polp. So when you were into the M.O.D. Nick,

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you was a complete skeptic, but when you came out of it, your opinion had changed. When I started

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that job, I was broadly sceptical. I mean, I really didn't know much about the subject. When I came

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out of that job after three years, I changed my mind and while I'm not a total believer or anything,

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I certainly know that there's more to this than just misidentifications and hoaxes. There's

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something real in our skies. Do governments take UFOs seriously? Yes, they do. I mean,

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this is a serious issue. If there is anything unknown in your airspace, particularly if it's

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been seen by pilots and tracked on radar, the government and the Air Force wants to know what

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it is. So yes, it doesn't surprise me that all over the world governments have had UFO projects.

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The one in 1978 or 79, I did see this thing flying about in the skies in Manchester,

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Salford. That was, you know, doing this sort of thing. Like this. Like that. And then, oh,

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I mean, if I saw something like that now, I could have probably thought, you know,

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it's one of the stealth aircrafts. But this was back in the 70s and it was doing stuff that even

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these things can't do. During the late 70s, if you look at the figures of sightings reported to

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the MOD, there's quite a spike in the late 70s. So you were certainly not alone. I mean, there

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were hundreds of people reporting to the MOD. So yeah, it doesn't surprise me that Manchester late

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70s, there's some really interesting sightings. So in your work at the Ministry of Defence, Nick,

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what was the most interesting sightings and cases you came across? Well, the most fascinating one

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that happened while I was running the UFO project was the Kossford incident. This was a wave of

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sightings from 1993 over a period of about six hours, including sightings at two military bases,

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lots of reports from police and some other military personnel as well. I spoke, for example,

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to the Met officer at RAF Shawbury the day after this. And his voice was shaking. And he told me

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about a huge diamond shaped UFO. So all the investigations you've done, Nick, and all the

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files that I can't say, where it is stored and can I go get my hands on them and have a look through

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them? Yes, we can go to the National Archives and have a look at it. I think we should get

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ourselves down to the Archives. Okay, let's do that. Brilliant. The 1993 Kossford incident is one

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of the UK's biggest unexplained UFO cases today. The episode began with two reporting sightings

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in Somerset. The first witness was a policeman who described the craft looking like two concaves

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flying side by side. Later that night, nearly 200 miles north of the Somerset sightings,

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officers at RAF Kossford and RAF Shawbury claimed to have seen similar objects flying over their

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military bases. The fact that military personnel and police officers spoke out meant that even

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the skeptics were prepared to listen. The documents relating to this incident are now available to

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the public. So Nick is taking me to view them at the National Archives, which holds copies of all

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the UFO reports of a file. In 2012, nearly 7,000 previously secret documents detailing UFO sightings

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were released by the M.O.D. Access to these official papers is encouraging for people who believe

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they've encountered or even communicated with the extraterrestrial. This is like the secrets that

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are kept in here. Are these our X-files? These are the real life X-files. Some files from maybe

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100 years ago that are still closed. If something is going to cause catastrophic damage to the

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national interest. Such as we found out that Jack the Ripper was one of the Royal families. Keep

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that one closed. Yeah, that probably would be. I think we've got it. I think the stuff that you're

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looking for is right here. Fantastic. So what file we've got here Nick? This is the file on the

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Cossford incident. List of sightings here. This is interesting. This is a map showing you and

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that's actually my handwriting. When I was doing the investigation I tried to plot out all the

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different sightings that came in. So that night Nick and March the 30th, March the 31st, what

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actually happened? Well it was over a period of about six hours. All these reports came in. I

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mean you can just get a sense of how many there are by leafing through this file. Oh wow. This is

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from the Met officer at RAF Shawbury. Saw object stationary then moving straight up. Then zigzag

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movements. Is that like what you saw? Yeah, that's right. And he said beam which was narrow like laser

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beam and appeared to be searching for something on the ground. You don't have any theories of what

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they've been looking for. I don't know. I mean to this day this whole incident is completely

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unexplained. This is the killer document from the Ministry of Defence about the sighting. Here we

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are. Look at this. Yeah. See, so as it says here in summary there would seem to be some evidence on

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this occasion that an unidentified object or objects of unknown origin was operated over the UK. Well

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that's an absolutely fantastic line. It's the nearest the MOD has ever come to saying UFOs are

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real. They're in our airspace but we don't know what they are. Well the other file that we've pulled

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out here Sean, you'll like this. Basically if you look at the original what does all this stuff

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about flying saucers amount to? What can it mean? What is the truth? Let me have a report at your

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convenience. WSC. That's Winston Churchill. Wow, that's incredible. Wow, look at this. And this is

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the reply back to Churchill. You know Prime Minister the various reports about unidentified

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flying objects described by the press as flying saucers. This is a real piece of history here.

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Well in terms of what we're talking about the Cotswolds incident today I mean there's a lot of

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incredible witnesses there. I mean not just a bunch of you know fruit cakes you know bubblegum

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heads you know I mean we've got police officers, we've got military police and people from the

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Air Force. So you know I've actually seen their statements in there you know so these are real

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incredible witnesses and you know not just some some wounds.

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I'm Sean Ryder and I've been fascinated with UFOs ever since I saw one in the skies above

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Manchester. Now I'm trying to understand how other people approach this phenomenon. So far I've

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met with Nick Pope he's shown me previously classified documents on reported UFO sightings.

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The vast quantity of UFO reports proved that many people in the UK believe they exist. It made me

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question why witnesses are often ridiculed and why there is a need for the many UFO support groups

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that have mushroomed in Britain. I'm meeting with a pharmaclinical psychologist to try and learn

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what makes groups like these tick. I want to know why people join these groups and whether or not

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it helps to validate UFO sightings. I suppose if people start to believe and take you know have a

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certain belief they might want to recruit other people to share that belief it makes them feel

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better and then there may be processes within the group where someone becomes a kind of guru figure

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and if they're believed then other people will follow that and I think that sort of activity I

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mean is one that can bring the whole subject into doubt in many people's minds. The other thing to

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find is people do have more than one new UFO experience and I mean as with myself you have one

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and maybe another and by the time you're getting on to the third experience I mean I'm even questioning

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myself but you know people really might go for one but when you get on to two or even three you

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know people start you know not tending to believe. Well I suspect that it's because people many people

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don't realize that these phenomena can occur and that they do sometimes tend to be person-centered

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and the the abduction experience for instance tends to be a obviously by definition is a

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current it's centering on a person or even a family even generations within a family.

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After speaking with Peter I'm concerned that UFO groups can encourage those who doubt extra

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terrestrial reports but I'm going to find out for myself. I'm heading to Watford to visit Edwin

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in Catrine. They run the UFO Academy one of the many groups established for people to share

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their unidentified experiences. We're going on an all night shoot so you know with a bunch of UFO

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people a bit like me you know a lot like me we all love UFOs and we're all a bit potty.

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Hello. Hello is that Catrine? It is. Hi Catrine it's Sean I'm outside can we meet up?

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Yeah sure okay well I'll just come out now then. Okay all right see you in a minute thanks. Bye.

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Well that was Catrine she's coming to get me. Hello. Hi. Pleased to meet you. Yeah you too.

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You all right? I'm Catrine. Hi this is Edwin. Hi Edwin. Oh right okay Catrine and Edwin.

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Yeah thanks for inviting me here. Oh did I push me way in?

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Sean have you ever been to anything like this before? No never. Never really. Never ever. Okay well

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I hope you enjoy it. Fascinating case for you tonight. It's a genuine case and we know these

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witnesses very well. They're family friends. They've been the apologists for 30 years. He actually had

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the camera on him at the time and he was taken by a craft that came out of the sky and it just

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dropped down about 900 feet and hollered there and it just literally took him to his friends

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saw this and he reappeared a couple of minutes later. I was approached by representatives of a race of

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human looking ETs. I don't expect you to believe everything I'm saying

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but how it resonates in your heart is all that matters. Other people sometimes raise that awful word

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called proof. I've been an alien abduction counsellor and it's been a rocky difficult journey with some

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of them but it's been well worthwhile and we have learned all of us so much. Can you all hear me

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can you all hear me?

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So they're original pictures and they're not processed or been manipulated or anything like that

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and they're definitely genuine pictures so we've been through all the processes to verify these

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images. Some of them show a sort of like an energy field around the object some have been filmed during the daylight.

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The stuff that I've seen there I don't want to be beauty's people right you know again but

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you know I mean it's so amateur you know I mean it's stuff stuff that I've seen it's like 40 50

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years all that sort of stuff you know I mean and the alien abduction I just I just not having it

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you know I just not having it you know. Alien abduction is real ones they're traumatised they

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look like they've been in battle for 10 years you know they look like they've just come out of Beirut

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and Northern Ireland to Belfast or you know and the World War and World War II on the Normandy

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beach rolling at one you know I just wasn't impressed. What surprised me about the UFO Academy

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is that it felt more like droop therapy than an analysis of the extraterrestrial. Make it normal

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make it real speak from your hearts. Thank you.

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It's great that there's a community for believers but I'm not after catharsis

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I need something more coherent. I know I've seen a UFO and I'm interested in what the scientists have to say.

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At the forefront of scientific extraterrestrial research is CETI established in 1984. CETI is an

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internationally acclaimed organisation that uses state-of-the-art technology to search for intelligent

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life in the cosmos. CETI is an acronym it sounds it stands for the search for extraterrestrial

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intelligence and it's basically a large set of radio antennas that work together to act as a

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single detector and they point them at nearby stars listening for coherent radio signals.

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Leading the search for intelligence in the universe is Dr Claudio MacCone

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an internationally acclaimed Italian space scientist and chair of CETI. Not only has he

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received an award for his efforts to establish a radio observatory on the moon he was appointed

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technical director at the International Academy of Astronautics in 2010.

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emitting radio waves so the point for us is to use the best equipment we have in order to pick up

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possible radio emissions from other civilizations. If we are discovering all this right now

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perhaps someone else in the galaxy may have understood this already.

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CETI's cutting-edge technology gives me faith that scientists will have a breakthrough that will

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allow us to communicate with extraterrestrials even if the skeptics think otherwise.

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We might receive an unambiguously powerful and intelligent message from a star on the other

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side of the galaxy and that might arrive tomorrow and it might contain instructions to build something

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or have some kind of encyclopedia galactica full of information that we could download and start

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reading through and getting to understand but until that happens I'm gonna keep an open mind

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but with whole judgment on whether there's any intelligent life because it's hard to find.

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So that all of the universe you don't think there's any intelligent life?

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We're talking about an entire universe and all bets are off because the universe is big. It's so

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big we don't even know how big it is because we can't see over. So I'm talking about the entire

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universe? But it's best I think to kind of constrain our discussions kind of conversations about

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this kind of thing to just our galaxy alone because if there's life on another galaxy just over

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there perhaps there's life in the Andromeda galaxy it's millions and millions of light years away

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even if it sent us a radio signal traveling at the speed of light traveling the fastest thing

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that anything in the universe can move it would take millions of years to get here. We couldn't

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have any kind of meaningful conversation because by the time we've sent our reply and got something

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back that's older than humanity's been a species you know that the time scales just blow your mind.

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The numbers game does favor life developing in many places if not thousands of places in the

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universe but the most interesting would be here in our Milky Way galaxy because then we have a

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chance of actually learning about them through our telescopes through our studies and if there

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were an intelligent civilization that does enable the chance of communicating with them.

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I'm feeling optimistic that scientists will find a way of communicating with extraterrestrial

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civilizations soon not just so I can prove the people who doubted my UFO experience wrong

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but so I can see our conversation with other worlds what impact life as we know it today.

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I'm Sean Ryder and ever since I saw a UFO in the sky above Manchester I've wanted to know how

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others are affected by these extraordinary experiences. I'm on a journey to try and understand

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how people deal with the unknown from fellow witnesses to abductees and scientists. This is

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physics not science fish. I've seen the evidence from a former member of the Ministry of Defense

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and I've visited a group created for fellow UFO believers. Even though the individuals I've

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met so far have been completely different they're all on the same journey to understand the unknown.

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Now I'm venturing into a new avenue of ufology. There's a spiritual side to the extraterrestrial

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that I'm going to learn more about. The feeling with the approach to extraterrestrial life if any

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is a feeling of a wonder of gratefulness of sincerity. There's clearly a relationship between

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visions and religion. There appears to have been that relationship for as long as there have been

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documents about religion or documented religion. There are no theological arguments, a priori

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arguments to exclude or to affirm the existence of extraterrestrial life. To learn about the

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spiritual approach to UFOs and visit in a worldwide organization that Atherias Society founded in

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1955 they believe contacting extraterrestrials is the key to healing humanity and restoring

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balance on planet earth. After my last group experience at the UFO Academy I'm feeling a bit

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apprehensive. So we're here at the Atherias Society. We're going to meet Richard. Okay a little bit nervous.

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Office. Okay.

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Hello it's Sean. Great thanks.

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Hi Richard. Very welcome. Thank you. Please. Yes.

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Richard what's the name of the society and what is the society believing? It's called the Atherias

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Society and we believe in life on other planets and we have a spiritual approach to UFOs and

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ufology and we believe they've been with us for thousands of years. Yep. You know it can be seen

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in the Hindu script and the Bible. I know you studied it a lot so across the board and we believe

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the most important thing is that we can directly cooperate with them at this very dangerous time

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of great change prior to a new age. So the prayer session this afternoon Richard what does that entail?

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A group I don't know what it'll be maybe 50 people chanting the mantras they're led in that. They're

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very experienced people that's why unfortunately we're going to have to ask you to observe today.

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He's brought into a religious sort of aspect of it. Right. You know I mean that's that's becoming a bit

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hmm spirituality might be a word people relate to better I don't know but I think it's the key.

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It is it's just that it's been misused by people so often and distorted so often you know I mean

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what does with all due respect. And the next big scientific breakthrough is in our own minds.

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It's that's brilliantly put yeah and of course there is that link too between science and religion.

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The energy is absolutely believable. I mean you know I was not saying that I don't believe.

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That's fair enough. We can sort of contain it then let it go. Yeah that is different. I mean that

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I must admit and I don't really expect you to just sort of take my word for it. I mean I just

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invite you to see what we do and investigate what we we discharge this as we call it in cooperation

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with with being some other planets and then we keep a log of all those discharges and where it

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goes to and when and we see what the effects are over a period of time and it's been going for decades

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and the effects are you know statistically it's working. The energy that we carry around in ourselves

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is huge. I mean for human being exploded it'd be like a mini nuclear bomb going off. Yeah yeah

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we all take our positions please. The priority for the first session

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is no Amy Rollins and Vivian, Fred Rector-Patt, Timekeeper John and Pete Kershaker of the Battery.

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Really enjoyed the experience, you know, it's a great honor to be allowed to be in there

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You know, I mean I mean people, you know watching what I've just seen will think they're crackers

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They really will think you know, they've lost it. I mean some of their beliefs to me

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are based on science and you know, that's that's more scientific than God living in a tabernacle, you know

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Any Sunday morning any sort of church in England is a thousands of people going through a very similar thing so

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Let's respect that like I would any other religion

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Even though I can't see myself signing up to the Atheist Society anytime soon

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I found their spiritual approach that trying to communicate with other planets really interesting

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When you consider that it's statistically more probable that there's intelligent life in the cosmos than there is a God

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Groups like the Atheist Society kind of make sense to me

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The more approaches to ufology that I learn about the more I'm wondering about the people who believe they've been abducted by aliens

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The Ministry of Defense files show me lots of evidence for witnessing UFOs

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The scientists made me think that one day we may be able to communicate with other civilizations

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But actually being abducted is a different matter

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So I'm going to meet Stefan Lubecek in Sutton Coalfield he claims to have had several abduction experiences

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I'm very jealous actually I might be frightened to death, but I'm mind having a go

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When I'm having a go at what?

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I wouldn't mind having a go of being abducted by aliens

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Not something as scary. Yeah, it frightens me to death, you know, so does bungee jumping

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Accounts of alien abduction like Stefan's are really rare in the UK, so I'm interested to hear what he has to say

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I felt this sort of strange sensation everything seems to sort of slow down like it almost like a strobe like flicker

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You know everything seems to slow down and there was this

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Thing it was actually pink in color the way I'd absolutely I've read this like the pink punk though

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Yeah, it sounds really really strange, doesn't it?

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But I mean it's the only way I could actually relate to it at that particular moment in time

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I could actually see like a like a like a perspex

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Cabinet type thing very low down just there were two drawers and it actually appeared to have

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You know in this cabinet and also behind me

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There was a cylinder

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Off the floor with a severed head

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Now I'm seeing this I'm thinking my god. They're gonna take me apart

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People watching this the skeptics

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They're gonna say come on, you know your kid you dreaming imaginations vivid, you know

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What you miss what you want to say to that?

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Well, I'm actually not out to convince anybody. I'm just telling you of an experience

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I can absolutely a hundred percent

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Tell you that I remember being there. It was real

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Wouldn't like this be there again. I would like to remember that I've been there again

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It doesn't seem to turn you into a nervous wreck because I think well I sort of deal with it in a different way

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I mean what I tend to try to have a laugh and a joke about it

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That's my way of dealing with it. So Stephan, how do you know, you know that what happens here as a kid?

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It wasn't wasn't a dream or sleep paralysis, you know, or you know a vivid imagination

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I'm a very skeptical person. I'm more skeptical about my own experiences than I would be about somebody else's

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if I've been trying to sort of come to grips with this over the years and trying to sort of like

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Sort of put it to bed as it were and it just comes back to me all the time a lot of people out there that

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What's going on and what's going on around the world?

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But they just won't come out because they're just frightened of being sort of label a nutcase or something

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Has there been any abductions in this house Stephan? Yeah, shall we go for a seagr? Yeah, I think let's go for a fight. Yes

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See Stephan seems very sane and rational

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Yeah, yeah like me

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Is any pattern to the sort of people that get grabbed

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Think from my experience, I think it's something to do with bloodline. Yeah, I think it's something to do with

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Are we all sort of five foot something with blue eyes?

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Well, I've got blue eyes

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Are you still I mean I'm not contact lenses. That's for sure. You had any abductions in this house. Yeah, I was actually

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I was woke up in the middle of the night. I felt very hot maybe so have a cup of coffee

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Thought I need to get some fresh air sat down just there in that chair

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and then I

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Was let a cigarette up and then the next thing I saw was a very bright light. It came up from the ground

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The other side of that fence

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Lasted for about four seconds

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And that's what drew my attention in that sort of direction and then what happened then is this sort of

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Small being in a sort of semi-state of flux. It was not quite that not quite there almost it sort of walked through the fence and

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Then it sort of stepped back and took on sort of more solid form I

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Could see I speak to it. It tases me. I'm out cold

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Wake up a number of hours later

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I'm not actually cold despite it being very cold outside. I would expect to have been frozen to the bone

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my coffee stone cold and

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The whole incident's over

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I'd really like to get an expert opinion on what others might think that this this is because you know I

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Can't explain it

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So the experience you had when you was 11 was that was that at this house or was that another house?

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It was actually in another house, but it's not very far away and I can take you there

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I can share this place really let's go

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Okay, I've never heard a story as elaborate as Stefan's his account is impressive

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But it's hard to take everything on board without evidence

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I wonder if I'll be more convinced when we visit that how Stefan thinks he was abducted from

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It seems pretty relaxed about it all

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But I know I'd be really nervous if I was returning to the spot where a UFO would be me up

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I'm Sean rider and I've been traveling across the UK in order to understand the different ways that people deal with the mystery of

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UFOs it's a subject I've been obsessed with since my own UFO sight in back in the 70s

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I've had the privilege of meeting people with a cross-section of opinions

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I saw some convincing testimonies in previously classified UFO reports and I joined a group of believers whose evidence

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I found less impressive

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From skeptics to scientists and spiritualists. I've heard how each group approach

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Communicated with the extra terrestrial

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Now I'm back in the Midlands with Stefan Lubacheck he believes he's been abducted by aliens several times

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All I saw was a light source. It came up from the ground very intense

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Is a count is remarkable, but I'm struggling to make sense of it

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We're on the way to the house Stefan thinks he was abducted from when he was 11

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I'm hoping this will help me decipher if I'm hearing facts or fiction. So how'd you feel generally about reliving this stuff?

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It's definitely I don't like to relive it. I don't like to relive any of it

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We should we go away, you know, just sort of leave me in peace

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You're not shaking it anything not, you know, you want to have it just knock it on the head and turn around and go with a beard

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What do you think the people in the house would say now Stefan if they knew what went on there?

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Don't know to be honest with you. Hopefully it's not happening to them. I don't think it's related to the house anyway

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No, it's definitely related to you. I think it's related to people persons

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Yeah, I can see the house. Is this it? Yeah. No, see see that house there. Let's get out the car right facing us

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So here we are then

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Well, is it which one which house is it? It's that house over there. You can see the

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Loft extension window going out onto the roof

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That was where I had that experience that I mentioned earlier when I was 11 years old

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So you're 11 years old you're living in that house and that's your bedroom the dormit bedroom. That's right. So

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Go on. Tell me what happened there Stefan

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basically

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These strange things came in the night and they took me and they took me

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Into a spacecraft and they did things to me and then they put me back and that happened

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from what I remember

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Twice I can remember two vivid experiences have actually been on board some sort of a spacecraft

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Was it was you were your company by?

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Alien yeah, there were two when I was actually on that roof in this beam of light

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Which they told me

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Was what was making me not fall off the goddamn roof when I was actually there were these two things short guys

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beside me and

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We traveled up in that light together and you get any sense of shape of this object

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Um any color?

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Well, no, no because of the light you see the light is bright. It's a very bright light. You can't see through it

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I didn't get any idea of the actual size of this thing. It could have been small. It could be it could have been massive because you know

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You're in the light. You're actually underneath it, you know, you're

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It's bright. You just can't see and then you're inside and then

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I'm sort of taking along this walkway that sort of curves around and takes me up to this holding area

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Um takes takes me up into this this this holding area and

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Through a door that appear that a door appears and then becomes a wall

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And then they come and collect you and they do these strange stuff to you and eventually they put you back so

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You know as as

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I don't know can we get out of here? Yeah, I just don't want to be right. I don't want to be anymore seriously

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It's not it's not I don't want to be here anymore. It's upsetting me

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Do you want to get out of your head quick?

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Just too many memories

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It's a bit upset anyway, so I think we should do

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What

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Just some good just sort of got to me

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Do one get out I

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Don't want to go back there

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Do you have a special getting sort of closure on this Stefan?

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No, I don't you think this is with you for the rest of your life. Yeah, I think it will be

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Stefan's reactions to the place he believes he was abducted from was shocking and I'm not sure what to make of it

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Clearly there has been a chain of events that have deeply affected him, but whether they were extra terrestrial experiences

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I'm not sure I think Stefan's a really nice fellow very interesting fellow

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You know and only Stefan knows the truth, so you know we can't prove it or disprove it

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I cannot prove what you say not disprove what you say

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I'm grateful to Stefan for sharing his story for my own experiences

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I know it can be hard to speak out about UFOs when you think people won't believe you

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But when I think about what I've learned from the experts on my journey

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I can't help but think there could be other explanations for what happened to Stefan

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People see things and what they see is

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Absolutely located within their cultural

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Environment I mean obviously in some cases it may be that if people are reporting a plethora of strange experiences

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It is actually related to loose thinking or misinterpretation and I've certainly met people that I think fall into that category

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But I've also met people

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Who don't seem to fall into that category who's who's testing me does impress me if you for example look at

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narratives

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About people who were stolen away by the devil and then if you look at narratives about UFO abductions

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People being still stolen away and poked and prodded the similarity between those two things is altogether striking

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But not many people these days would would take those narratives from the 17th century and say well that that's what happened the devil took these people

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So we are probably entitled to exercise the same level of skepticism with respect to UFO abduction narratives

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Even though I wasn't completely convinced by Stefan's account of his abduction

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My journey across the UK has only strengthened my belief in UFOs

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Meeting with the skeptics was interested, but they still haven't changed my mind about my UFO sighting

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So you don't think I'm lying about what I saw you just think I was mistaken

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But I don't I don't for a second think that that you're lying

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I think you you truly believe you saw something you don't understand and you don't have an explanation for it

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And I don't have an explanation for what you saw

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But I think there's plenty things out there that we haven't yet found explanations for that might end up being

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You know run of the mill or standard or have a normal explanation that we just haven't found yet

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If you woke up tomorrow morning, and it was you know six o'clock in the morning and pitch black and you looked out your window

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And then over your house you saw a

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Proper UFO and then you've watched it and observed it and it moved about then it shut off it

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You know ten thousand mile an hour. How would that change the way that you think now?

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I mean it obviously would and you've always got to keep an open mind. You've always got to

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Allow for the possibility that you've been wrong about everything so far wrong about particular things that then get disproved by

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By new things you see new evidence that you collect but until that day until

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What what confuses me about UFOs it always seems to be you know yourself or a couple of friends

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It with at the time will see something in the sky that they don't understand

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But if if there was a UFO if there was a you know a crew of aliens inside a flying saucer or some kind of spaceship

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Why would you bother just visiting two or three people at one time?

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Why would you not come to Mexico City?

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Ten million people would all lack of a same instant

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There'd be thousands and thousands of iPhone photos and camcorder footage of the same thing

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But it's always just a few people and I'm not saying I certainly don't believe that people that senior foes are lying

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I think you've seen something you truly believe is

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Something not of this world or something you can't explain and I can't explain it

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And a lot of these things will probably never be explained

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But until there's something that is seen by lots of people

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Independently all at the same time that cannot be explained by anything else. I'll then believe in a space it's spaceships visiting us

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Speaking with Lewis gave me hope that there's potential for even the most skeptical

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Individuals to chase their mind about UFOs with time

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I've met some truly fascinating people who've opened my eyes to new realms and new phology

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The nearest the MOD has ever come to say UFOs are real they're in our airspace

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If you like we have a spiritual approach to UFOs and ufology

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I was touched by the way everyone welcoming with open arms and now they were happy to share their experiences

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I'm an ET contact

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experiencer

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From the spiritual to the scientific

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I feel privileged to have witnessed the ways in which people are trying to communicate with life on other planets

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Well, I didn't see eye to eye with everyone on this trip

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I feel an affinity with those who like me believe that we are not alone in the universe

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Well, I think both in our solar system and around other stars

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It's a very exciting time as far as the question of life in the universe is concerned

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Maybe we're lucky in our lifetime. We may find some

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Some evidence of of life outside of the Earth

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